ATP is the fuel that makes your muscles move. Without ATP, no movement occurs. This is the energy system a meter sprinter uses. Notice as he approaches the finish line and beyond, he begins to struggle as his body churns over to the next energy system…. This system produces more ATP than the phosphagen system, but it takes about seconds to kick in and it expires after about 2 minutes.
Anaerobic glycolysis is the only system that produces lactate or lactic acid as a byproduct. In this system your body uses oxygen from the environment to convert fats to lots of ATP using the electron transport chain.
It takes about 2 minutes to get started, but it can last indefinitely. Oxidative Phosphorylation 2 minutes and beyond — — a gallon drum of diesel fuel for the long distance journeys.
Unless your team is really bad at managing rundowns, the longest pay in baseball is an inside the park homerun, takes about seconds to complete, and the only guy who has to run that far is the guy who hit the ball. Everyone else is about 4 seconds or less and a pitch takes about 1. Yet we constantly train in the other two systems. Creating aerobic endurance is of very little value in improving pitching performance.
If can cut poles out. Use your sprints to develop team competition…. I like athletes!!! Same comment I made to Matt earlier; justify it! Mike — great stuff. Time can be better spent doing something other than jogging. Rob wrote above, and this would be due to pitchers being primarily anaerobic athletes, during an inning lactate rose above 5 mmol which for an untrained person would put them well with in the point where they would start to accumulate lactate to further produce ATP.
So i think this might be where coaches get confused, when that lactate produced by each pitch needs to be cleared. Would either of you agree a more powerful and efficient aerobic system that pushes back OBLA to maybe 6mmol beyond the numbers in your research instead of 4 mmol would allow a pitcher to continue to work at a high intensity further into the game to keep velocity and other things consistent? However, I remember a couple years ago reading an article on the topic. Any thoughts on this?
Zack great questions! To answer your second question, what would push back the OBLA, would be training at or above that threshold; any training below that, the body would be using predominantly the oxidative energy system to fuel the body. Great stuff Eric! Funny story- as a minor leaguer in the early 80s I approached my pitching coach prior to our daily running routine of 10 poles and I told him that I thought running poles was counterproductive for me as a pitcher and felt that it weakened me and that i wanted to feel strong when called on- I was the closer.
Pitching is definitely an anerobic power activity. Some of my pitching feats have included pitching 3 complete games in a 24 hour period- all victories with the 2nd of those games a 4 hit shutout at the age of 40 and tossing 17 innings in a doubleheader- 10 in game 1 and 7 in game 2 at the age of But I think I am a good example that long distance running is not necessary to be trained to pitch lots of innings.
Justin Verlander seems to be a modern day example of this. Many others from the past and present also fit this description. Jason thanks for the kind words! What are you considering as distance running? Where are you running distance? Running poles for pitchers the way people do it now is really a big waste of time.
If you are running miles on end around a track then of course it will not be very effective. I think if you were to program it correctly it could be effective to run certain distances. There might not be much less total work. Eric, that would be a interesting comparison. I really like your med ball training ideas and concepts. Incorporating that into sprints. What I am wondering is how do you train your guys or people for pitching complete games?
If you are sprinting you cant just keep adding sprints, Cause that would diminish over time. And do you consider a complete game power endurance rather then just power? The name of the game is building up pitch count. There really is no way to simulate that without throwing. First of all congrats on finishing up your M. Pitching , Training Tips. Pitching coaches—and baseball coaches in general—force their pitchers to run countless poles which is simply running the warning track from foul pole to foul pole in an attempt to improve strength, or endurance…to be honest, I am not sure what the actual benefit is that the coaches hope to achieve.
Nevertheless, pitchers run. A lot. Long, slow endurance work trains an athlete in the aerobic pathway. When we do things like jog, go for a bike ride, or even a long walk, our muscles use oxygen as the primary source of energy. By training within this energy pathway, the athlete should become more efficient in activities that require oxygen as the primary fuel.
Unfortunately, training aerobically reduces muscle mass, power, strength, and speed, and dramatically reduces anaerobic capacity. Is pitching aerobic in nature? Typically, the aerobic pathway becomes the primary metabolic engine after several minutes, and lasts for as long as needed from hours, to days even.
It is low-power, long-duration in nature. Post pitching slow jogging is not supposed to work the muscles and if you are in shape a slow jog won't cause any stress. Too many people get this confused. Watch ML pitchers who retire into the duggout and go directly to the excercise bikes and training room which house excercise equipment and all the things they need for the trainer to work on them.
They ride excercise bikes instead of jogging. How about pregame running? I have noticed several MLB pitchers jogging before the game. A college coach told my son to stretch and jog before throwing his pen before games.
It seems to be working for him. Originally posted by CADad: The running gets the blood flowing in the arm because you are pumping the arms. Gameth--So you are saying no running after pitching--and only ice arm? Do you beleive any pitcher at any age should ice or only from a certain age on? My boy is 15 and has never done really anything after pitching and has never had a sore arm knock on wood. He has a very natural throwing motion, throws seam fb, curve and changeup, but uses the fb most as he has alot of mvt.
Should he ice? Lactic acid is not bad and no one said it was. Stenous work increases lactic acid. The stifness in your body is what occurs when lactic acid builds up. Flishing it helps eliminate stiffnes from strenuous working of the muscles.
You don't have to run but it is better if you do. My son only jogged if he worked hard. Approx 4 innings depending on how hard he had to work. I am not sure why people argue this issue when pros do it under the guidance of their trainers. You are not trying to increase the flow but maintian the flow instead of letting your body cool down with thye LA build up due to muscle hard work and remain inyour body at a high level which will make you stiff and achey.
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